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Jan 26, 2014 11:49:15 GMT
Post by 魔 on Jan 26, 2014 11:49:15 GMT
I've started to delete things that I know well on anki and memrise. Seems like a waste of time to review things I know well enough. Even if it only takes half a second, when you're reviewing thousands of times it builds up.
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Anki
Jan 26, 2014 19:32:41 GMT
Post by Jembru on Jan 26, 2014 19:32:41 GMT
I don't delete anything, maybe if they start to annoy me I might, but so far I haven't. What I have started doing though, is marking things 'easy'. I never did before, because I tend to need quite a lot of repetition to learn things. My reviews are starting to get close to 300 a day (and over 300 if you include my custom study sessions), so I'm in a similar boat to you; I don't want to be wasting precious seconds.
You're right though, I SHOULD start deleting at least some. Especially words I know I use everyday. Mine are English->Japanese, (besides the kanji-> hiragana), because I find it easier to recognise a word I hear or see in Japanese, than remember it. I find that I can know a word really well one minute, but then forget all about it until I hear it again months later. So my worry is that if I don't keep reviewing them at least every few months, I'll just have to study the same words all over again. This is more the case for words that don't come up so often in daily conversation. Like... last time I was out with my Japanese friends, they asked about the expression 'south paw', because this is used in Japanese sometimes too (I'd never heard it in English.. my friends are teaching me ENGLISH now too.. just great :S). They were using hidarikiki, migikiki, but I was desperate to remember another word I'd learnt months ago, from the same lesson these words show up in on Jpod101. It was driving me mad in fact and despite the conversation, no one used it. It was kikite.. just kikite. I should have been able to guess that! Yet, because I learnt it before I started using anki, I didn't benefit from the occasional reminder. I bet if I had, I'd have been able to use it in possibly the only conversation with natives I'll ever have needed it in. Could be years before THAT word comes up again....
Still, words like musekinin, jounetsu and so on, that aren't used daily, but come up often enough to ensure I don't forget them, should be deleted now really. Or... maybe suspended? Then I can just skip through my suspended list now and then to check I still know them all?
(sorry for the romaji, input not working just now.. think the laptop is thinking too hard ^^).
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Anki
Feb 1, 2014 4:59:52 GMT
Post by Jembru on Feb 1, 2014 4:59:52 GMT
I was just looking for something and stumbled on a forum thread (I didn't note the forum, some Japanese learners thing) about anki. One of the posters wrote 'You should be able to do 100 reviews in 10 minutes or less'. I wondered about this, and decided to do 2 custom study sessions, one for general vocab (where the prompt is English and I recall the Japanese word), and one for reading (almost all kanji compounds). I chose '100 random cards' then waited for the clock to turn exactly on the hour (then 20 past) so I could time how long it took me. The kanji is fine. I can reel off 100 kanji reviews in around 8 minutes (but I was marking 'correct' just if I said it right because I was against a timer; usually I have to recall the meaning too for it to count as correct, as I can often say a word from the kanji, but not remember the meaning). The other one though, where I was giving the Japanese, took me over 11 minutes (closer to 12). I then rebuilt the deck and this time just read the English prompts without giving the Japanese. So I was just literally timing how long it takes me to read the cards, without thinking of the answers. That alone took me almost 7 minutes, which doesn't leave THAT much time for answering, if I'm to fit it into 10 minutes. I always need to review a handful of words too, so it ends up being over 100 reviews anyway.
I also noticed that I never complete revews in the time stated by anki-droid. Is there something wrong with me? Can everyone else manage 100 reviews in less than 10 minutes, or is this just some random number that poster plucked from the air to make the rest of us feel bad? I do add words all the time, but usually just 10-30 a week, which I know is a perfectly manageable number. I even suspend words if I feel I've been adding too many on a particular day, and release them on days I haven't studied new material. So it's not that I'm overloading my memory.
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Feb 1, 2014 12:28:13 GMT
Post by 魔 on Feb 1, 2014 12:28:13 GMT
linkMaybe that's the one you were talking about, they give some advice on there as well. Everything takes practice, you'll be able to do it in under 10 minutes.
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Feb 1, 2014 19:44:16 GMT
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Post by Jembru on Feb 1, 2014 19:44:16 GMT
I do all those things. I read the entire Anki manual and I'm very firm with myself about what I consider a correct guess. Not a syllable out of place, short vowels short, long vowels long, and I have to be able to give the answer quickly. Like I say, I can do the kanji compounds in well under 10 minutes, but I'm a slow reader, and due to Japanese having so many synonyms, I have to add detail to the English prompts, or I'll give the wrong word. I have made other decks to make dealing with synonyms a bit easier, but none of those have 100 cards in yet, so I couldn't do the test with those. I rarely sit down and do all my reviews in one go, but when I do, I usually need at least 40 minutes to do 200-300 reviews, plus my custom studies (usually about 30 or 40 cards).
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Feb 1, 2014 20:19:10 GMT
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Post by Bokusenou on Feb 1, 2014 20:19:10 GMT
I tend to think of it like the "estimated download time" you get when downloading a file. It's just a guess. Some card types will take longer to do than others. For me, the ones where I'm given a reading and need to write the kanji out take a little more time than the ones I need to guess how a kanji is read. Also, new cards tend to take more time than old cards.
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Feb 3, 2014 20:57:36 GMT
Post by Jembru on Feb 3, 2014 20:57:36 GMT
Yeah, I've tried, and unless I'm practically cheating (marking things correct when they weren't exactly right, so I don't have a huge pile of failed cards adding to the total time, for example), I can't get through the cards in 10 minutes. It doesn't help that some of the cards have 2 or 3 sentences worth of text . Especially grammar cards, I need to give detailed context to avoid saying an alternative grammar with the same or similar meaning. I can't even read those in 5 seconds, never mind untangle the similar structures to give the right one in that time. I tend not to use anki for grammar too much these days, but I don't want to remove all the grammar cards.
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Feb 4, 2014 1:09:29 GMT
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Post by Bokusenou on Feb 4, 2014 1:09:29 GMT
JembruIf its stressing you out than I would just ignore it. I actually didn't realize what it was until I started using AnkiDroid, and I had used the desktop version for years by then. I did just fine not knowing what it was. There might even be a way to turn it off in the settings.
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Post by 魔 on Mar 7, 2014 22:07:53 GMT
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Anki
Mar 8, 2014 23:49:00 GMT
Post by Bokusenou on Mar 8, 2014 23:49:00 GMT
魔 Yeah, I use AwesomeTTS, Colorful Toolbars (brings Anki 1-style toolbar to Anki 2) , Morphman, and View Size Adjust.
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Mar 9, 2014 1:18:56 GMT
Post by Jembru on Mar 9, 2014 1:18:56 GMT
I don't currently, but I'm definitely interested in giving some a go. Yomichan sounds kinda cool. It could potentially save a lot of time. I tend to scribble things on a little pad, then tape the sheet to my tablet, so I can add the words to anki at work. The most I'd need to do is edit the cards if they're not in the format I want (I don't do Japanese > English, so would have to flip them if this is the default it uses). Thanks for bringing it up!
EDIT: Btw, I've discovered a way to make my anki reviews go faster and take up less of my life. I now do them in bed when I first wake up. Without distractions, I can usually rattle through my main deck, which is always the bulk of my reviews. I don't always complete the other decks, but there's usually only something like 40-60 reviews left once the main deck is out of the way, and those take no time at all.
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Apr 13, 2014 15:50:57 GMT
Post by Jembru on Apr 13, 2014 15:50:57 GMT
魔: So what on earth is this Yomichan meant to do? It's not what I had thought it was for. I installed it, thinking it meant that when I come across words and phrases while browsing online, I could just click a mouse button and they'd be magically added to anki. This is definitely not what it does. It does nothing as far as I can see. I've tried opening it while viewing Japanese... blank screen... I've tried copying and pasting text into the blank screen... not allowed, I've tried opening it while looking at an anki card (although why that would be useful, I don't know.. I mean, isn't the whole point of anki that YOU give the reading/meaning?).. that's not what it does though.. still a blank screen. So, I really don't get what yomichan is meant to be for, but I'm gutted that I have to add all my new words the old fashioned way. *sigh*
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Post by 魔 on Apr 13, 2014 16:31:44 GMT
I'd forgotten about it. I still don't use anki that much. linkIt only works with text files. open the text file then hover over a word and press the middle mouse button or shift. If you want to add the words to an anki deck, you'll need to set the deck up in preferences. Then little green buttons will appear when you select a word. It opens subtitle files too, that's probably the only thing I could use it for at the moment.
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Post by chocopie on Apr 14, 2014 8:06:36 GMT
I installed it, thinking it meant that when I come across words and phrases while browsing online, I could just click a mouse button and they'd be magically added to anki. JembruAs demonhead said, yomichan is designed to work with .txt files so it's best for if you have a novel or something. For what you want to do though you can use the Anki Real-Time Import Feature from Rikaisama which is a version of Rikaichan designed for Firefox.
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Apr 14, 2014 14:57:24 GMT
Post by Jembru on Apr 14, 2014 14:57:24 GMT
Thanks 魔 and chocopie. So it seems I did have the wrong impression of the app. Well, I don't currently prioritise reading, because it's not directly related to my learning goal, but I don't intend to ignore this part of my studies forever. As I grow closer to achieving my desired level of spoken Japanese, I'll start thinking about improving other areas; reading and being able to follow more technical/non-conversational spoken Japanese. So I probably won't delete it out right. Maybe I could get a text file version of some of the Japanese novels I own (acquired from Japanese friends who grossly over-estimate my ability ^^). Japanese paperbacks feel awesome to hold somehow, so I hope to one day start reading them. If I read them first from a text file, and then read the chapter again from the paperback, it might be a useful way to practice reading. Especially if I add new words to anki from the text file and give myself a few days to drill them first. Unfortunately, I use chrome, so can't use rikaisama. I'll hold out for someone to program the same thing for rikaikun though. In the meantime, I can't deny that my current method is good practice... I handwrite new words on a notepad as I come across them (in kana if I found it while watching TV or listening to a podcast). I usually take this list to work with me and then during quiet time, I can sit and add all the words to anki on my android tablet. It takes time, but I guess it reinforces my memory of the word.
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