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Lang-8
Nov 20, 2013 7:46:21 GMT
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Post by Jembru on Nov 20, 2013 7:46:21 GMT
Thanks midori! I actually did that on my last post. I started with a little 'I'm gonna write this casually' warning. I rushed it though, so it was full of mistakes and typos. I had to go shopping for paint and start stripping wallpaper and pulling up carpet that day, so I just rushed it out without checking. So I guess I'll have to try another casual style entry soon.
I'm planning on making most entries just one paragraph long, so it's easier to find time to work on them. So far, they've gone a little over, but I'll try to think of mundane things that won't need much writing.
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Post by Jembru on Feb 2, 2015 9:06:39 GMT
Did you all enjoy the peace over the last few days? I needed a bit of down time following one of my usual dips. As ever, the reality of how far I still have to go until I'm fluent caught up with me again. When this happens, I usually need to take a step back for a few days. As I mentioned to our lovely Princess in another thread, it bothers me that the accuracy of my Japanese is still so poor. Well, if you want to tighten your grammar and syntax you're going to need correction and if you're self-teaching, there is little choice really; lang-8 it is! In the past my posting on lan-8 has been sporadic. It took me a while to write in Japanese and then I'd double that time going over looking for typos and mistakes (and still leave plenty in ^^). I just didn't have the time to keep doing that. These days it doesn't take me much longer to type something in Japanese than it does in English (which is admittedly still slow, but in the case of English it's because I'm constantly deleting entire paragraphs and starting again ^^). So I decided that rather than spending hours on a post, I'll just keep rattling them off and posting them raw. Like I said to Princess, when I'm corrected it really sticks in my head, even more so when it was a careless mistake that I should have known better. So I figured; post, post, post.. and over time I'll start being more and more careful about how I use Japanese. It will be a slow process, but it will happen faster the more I post. Even on days when I don't have time to write anything, I'm sure I can find a few sentences I've written on Gaiwa or FB that I can put on. Even if I don't have time to write up the feedback every time I post, it takes nothing to cast my eye over it when I have a few spare minutes at work! Each point being hammered home by that familiar cringing feeling ^^ This self-inflicted shock therapy has done the trick too. I'm feeling much more positive again!
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Lang-8
Feb 3, 2015 8:45:51 GMT
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Post by chocopie on Feb 3, 2015 8:45:51 GMT
Jembru にインスパイアされた! I just posted on lang-8 for the first time in...maybe six months? A year? I always used wait until I felt I had something of a decent length to post, but your approach is much better. Even a couple of sentences is better than nothing
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Lang-8
Feb 3, 2015 14:41:07 GMT
Post by Jembru on Feb 3, 2015 14:41:07 GMT
You're always inspiring me so I'm glad to finally be able to return the favour!^^
I was actually inspired by a girl who knows a lot of the same people I do up here, but who I haven't gotten to know personally yet. The Japanese speaking world is quite small in the North East, so it's not rare that you mention someone you've recently met and the person you're talking to is like, 'Oh I know him!'. Anyway, I have her on facebook and I'm always impressed by how beautifully she writes. It's with good reason too. She's clocked up over 800 journals on lang-8! That's some serious dedication and like I say, she deserves to write beautifully after that.
If I still suck after 800 posts, then fine, I can cry all I want about how bad my grammar is, but until then, I only have myself to blame if I'm still making obvious mistakes. I have all the tools I need to succeed at my finger tips after all!
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Lang-8
Feb 3, 2015 15:38:31 GMT
Post by chocopie on Feb 3, 2015 15:38:31 GMT
She's clocked up over 800 journals on lang-8! That's some serious dedication and like I say, she deserves to write beautifully after that. 800!!! Oh my.......... That'd take me years... Oh well! Nothing to do but try
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Lang-8
Feb 3, 2015 16:04:07 GMT
Post by Jembru on Feb 3, 2015 16:04:07 GMT
800!!! Oh my.......... That'd take me years... Oh well! Nothing to do but try It looks like she started using lang-8 in 2010 and she posts 2 or 3 times a week on average. She's definitely on my list of learners I'm inspired by! I thought I'd posted once a day since I started using lang-8 again last week, but I appear to have missed a day. I don't think I'll be able to keep up quite this rate of activity though. I'll try not to let a week go by without a single post ever again though, even if all I can write is a single sentence explaining why I'm not posting anything.
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Lang-8
Feb 4, 2015 13:07:06 GMT
Post by chocopie on Feb 4, 2015 13:07:06 GMT
The pain that comes with deciphering the code of lang-8 corrections is flooding back now. Why is this red? Why is this blue? Why is this grey? This part is in brackets? Why are you all correcting different parts? You've changed the meaning! That's not what I wanted to say!
Oh well. I shall persevere! Onwards and upwards!
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Lang-8
Feb 4, 2015 17:35:20 GMT
Post by Jembru on Feb 4, 2015 17:35:20 GMT
Oh gosh yes!! I feel your pain!! There is literally no convention on there. I follow the 'blue if I'm only offering a more natural sounding wording, red if the original wording was wrong' rule, but it seems not everyone does this. When I am correcting posts is when I feel the most despair there. This morning 2 people had marked the sentence 'It's not a slang' as correct, while a third changed it to 'it is not a slang', and in the same post 2 people left in the expression 'better after repaired' and a further 2 'liked' these corrections. Is it me Chocopie? My grammar isn't perfect by any means but honestly? Has geordie just evolved so separately from English that I haven't yet learnt these new grammar rules? It makes me nervous about the reliability of the correction I receive, although I'm lucky enough to have a few regulars that I trust, who will change just passable sentences so that they flow more naturally. I did an experiment a while back where I re-posted previously corrected journals (letting people know what I was doing of course), and that was very revealing. I think that, and correcting English posts, together helped me to form a better understanding of how lang-8 operates. Not to mention sneakily bumped my post count I'll sometimes add an English version if I'm trying to say something that I imagine is going to be completely misunderstood. Especially after the chaos caused by writing about a public telephone box full of goldfish (and here, I thought the Japanese language lends itself naturally to surrealism ^^). Anyway, I'm pleased to see that you have the lang-8 bug too! For its weaknesses (and lets face it, mistakes are often missed in the classroom too; at least our teachers are free and we're getting their full attention!), it's still a bloody powerful learning tool!
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Lang-8
Feb 7, 2015 21:04:19 GMT
Post by Jembru on Feb 7, 2015 21:04:19 GMT
Eeek.. not proof-reading first is so hard >.<. I get so many corrections that are just sloppy typing プリーパイド (because I typed 'paido' like in English), 思う出す (because... who knows ^^). But it's so cringe-worthy when I see these, that it is surely going to bully me into taking more care. Every time I go to press 'submit' my hand hesitates, my heart races, I want to save it somewhere and come back later when I have more time to check.. but I know I'd be better posting NOW, and using that 'more time' (assuming such a time ever comes), to read the feedback or even better.. write another post! It's harsh training, but hey, it frees up more of my time for all of that fun I'm having with Japanese I keep posting about... Besides, imagine if I were to post my unchecked English on there? You all know what I'm talking about.. you have to read it after all. I'm pretty sure I'd get a lot of corrections then too! So on the bright side, at least I'm consistent across languages.
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Lang-8
Feb 7, 2015 23:12:32 GMT
Post by chocopie on Feb 7, 2015 23:12:32 GMT
Eeek.. not proof-reading first is so hard >.<. I get so many corrections that are just sloppy typing I do the same! My other bad habit (which I also do in English) is rephrasing part of a sentence without checking if the whole sentence still makes sense. I save my entries now and then reread them a bit later before posting to try and cut down on silly errors.
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Lang-8
Feb 8, 2015 0:19:57 GMT
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Post by Jembru on Feb 8, 2015 0:19:57 GMT
You don't know the relief I feel when I learn that other people do these things! While some of my worst typos are because I've been writing on my phone, it's often because of exactly that; I started out with one sentence in mind, and switched to something else before the end.
Do you delete your posts on lang 8? I'll sometimes make mine private, especially if I was being bitchy or whiny in them, but I like to be able to dip into them when I need to, because I will sometimes revisit the same or similar topic.
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